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Steve Gosling
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7/18/2002
05:10:34
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Can one be a classical Conservative(Paleo) and utilise a populist strategy to obtain support.
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Jim Kalb
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7/18/2002
08:11:26
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Decentralization is populist. Think of the Anti-Federalists.
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Jeff Culbreath
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7/18/2002
12:35:21
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I have my doubts, but maybe. Russell Kirk said he declined a political role in the conservative movement because "it was too much like a herd".
Populism tends to self-justification which is anti-traditional. I think there are real dangers for conservatives here.
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Jim Kalb
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7/18/2002
16:00:31
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I agree there are dangers in populism, and it shouldn't be take straight. Still, it seems to me some populist themes like local control and suspicion of experts are necessary.
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Steve Gosling
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7/25/2002
06:04:37
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To accept populism is to accede to the current political concerns of the masses usually based upon their access to the resources of the managerial state which results in some form of socialist/welfare state. To apply the first principles of classical conservatism to their concerns is not, from their perspective, to address their concerns at all.
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Tom Smith
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7/27/2002
07:22:02
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It's simple really. Redefine the "social/welfare state" as "social regulatory systems", adopt a new ideology of masculism in line with Kalb's anti-feminist article, and either take over the Left from the marxist/feminists or start a new party on the Left. Voila, you're a populist.
Tom
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Steve Gosling
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7/29/2002
04:37:37
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Intriguing idea; but does this address the problem of seperating the populist 'snouts in the trough' mentality=the exploitation of the fears of the masses for their material well being and the true role of a revived American Conservatism, the defence of republican goverment?
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Tom Smith
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7/29/2002
05:37:52
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The idea is to get masculist men's snouts in the trow, if for no other reason than as a way to take care of the main problem....feminism. You can't have thousands of exclusive women's political action organizations, their control of the whole of the Left and a good chunk of the Right, the power of their consumerism, and much more, and all this with zero organization and opposition from men, and expect to have a society that pleases everyone. It essentially pleases women and men with money. Political and economic conservatism is fine and dandy, but it isn't going to take out feminism on the Left alone, and we aren't going anywhere until there is a substantial challenge to feminism on the Left itself. Men also need a powerful advocacy that crosses party lines like feminism. That advocacy will have little in common with feminism and I suspect just the growth of such an advocacy would bury feminism pretty quick.
The problem is feminism gentleman. Maybe once feminism is out of the way we can enjoy more our academic discussions of liberalism vs conservatism. Now they mostly detract from the main problem and keep men at eachother's throats.
Tom
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