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CounterRevolutionary
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8/19/2003
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My interpretation of 20th century Spanish history is the following: Franco led the Nationalist (i.e., counterrevolutionary) cause to victory in a difficult and bloody civil war. Without Franco, the Left probably would have won. Upon the Nationalist victory in 1939, Franco assumes dictatorial powers and goes about executing Leftists and building a very admirable society. But he unwisely chooses King Juan Carlos (a progressive democrat whose beliefs were in no way compatible with the counterrevolution) as his successor. Even before King Carlos takes control of Spain in 1975, Franco somewhat lets his guard down and allows some amount of reform to take place, eroding the society he had built. This occurs in the late 60's and maybe early 70's.
Is my interpretation correct? This post is in no way meant to be negative toward Franco; I think he was a great man who did so much. But my reading of Spanish history has always been that Franco kind of failed at the end.
The socialists ask what is our program? Our program is to smash the skulls of the socialists. - Benito Mussolini
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Catholic
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8/30/2003
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I'm Spanish. Today, spanish society is a disaster. This country is very progressive. All parties are leftist. The society that Franco built was destroyed.
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Alexander Pope
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9/21/2003
11:17:36
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[quote][b]I'm Spanish. Today, spanish society is a disaster. This country is very progressive. All parties are leftist. The society that Franco built was destroyed.[/quote][/b]
That explains a lot of things. Particularly why Spain has willingly been Bolshevized Amerika's bitch in terms of foreign policy, as of late, contrary to its own interests.
Juan Carlos is Illuminati. Read Springmeier's book and you'll see how it all fits together. http://www.pentracks.com/bloodlines/bloodlines.htm
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s masta
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3/07/2004
22:12:41
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go incubus
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CounterRevolutionary
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3/12/2004
14:40:01
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According to BBC News, the ETA "first emerged in the 1960s as a student resistance movement bitterly opposed to General Franco." Maybe the Spanish democracy will smash the skulls of the ETA.
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Andy Fear
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3/12/2004
18:57:40
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Franco's great gift to Spain was he stopped the 1960s happening there. While the major urban centres of Spain are the same dumps that one finds in any country, rural life is still strongly conservative. Alas the Spanish right seems non-existant. Until a few years ago there was a good new right journal called Hesperides but it seems to have vanished. The small rightwing parties seem completely ineffectual and though people say there are Francoists in the PP they must be well hidden...
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Tim Bowler
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3/31/2004
11:58:08
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If I may suggest, the posts to this topic miss the point. Franco was one of the 20th century's fascist dictators.
For instance, the mass killing of Republican prisoners in the years after the end of the Spanish civil war was no mark of a great statesman -- merely a criminal dicator.Howmany did Franco order killed - 100,000 or 200,000? Who knows, but it was an evil and shameful waste of human life.
Luckily for Spain, Juan Carlos knew exactly what Spain needed in 1975 -- democracy - and the society Franco had created was dismantled. Thankfully there are very few people these days who believe Spain would be better off with a modern version of Francoism.
As the philosopher Unamuno said to the Nationalists at the time: "You will not convince. For to persuade you would need what you lack: reason and right in your struggle."
And to those seeking to ressurrect Francoism -- those words still apply.
All the best
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CounterRevolutionary
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3/31/2004
13:33:46
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....the mass killing of Republican prisoners in the years after the end of the Spanish civil war was no mark of a great statesman....it was an evil and shameful waste of human life.
I believe those found guilty of treason were the ones executed. Treason is still a capital offense in most places today I believe. So it was really no different.
...the society Franco had created was dismantled.
How unfortunate for Spain. It almost sounds like America.
...there are very few people these days who believe Spain would be better off with a modern version of Francoism.
How sad. Maybe the future will change public opinion.
...those seeking to ressurrect Francoism....
The goal is not to bring back "Francoism." The goal is to correct the mistakes that have been made the past 30-40 years in Spain and elsewhere, and create a better society for human civilization. This may involve no dictatorship or military whatsoever. The counterrevolutionary movement that carries out the (badly) needed reforms may not go by the name "Francoism," even in Spain. As the front page at counterrevolution.net says, "the Restoration will no doubt be very different from the Ancien Regime...." And that's okay, as long as both Marxism and democracy are eliminated in all their forms, and the principles that we hold dear are re-established. On this humanity depends.
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mallorca
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Saturday, December 11, 2004
06:57:43
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What the hell are you talking about???
Do you really want to live in a dictatorship???
do you really want to have someone who tells you every day what to do, what to think, what to say, what to wear, who to love, how to live and someone how's gonna kill you if you don't obey him???
You must be completely insane.
I really hope you are just stupid and don't understand what all this means.
Imagine there was a leftwing dictatorship and all of you were going to be killed in public because you are defending francoism. After that all the people with any kind of relation with you wolud be despised, rejected and seen as bad people just to have known you. Sonuds good?
That was Francoism.
I know you're going to laugh at my answer, but I don't mind at all the opinion of people who don't even repect the right of living.
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